Why Richardson's Iowa Poll may be Closer to Reality than I Thought

Remember this?

http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/6/25/1447 26/925

Jerome posted that Richardon's internal polling had him ahead of Obama in "likeliest" caucus goers.  Most of the comments dismissed the poll, but I don't know if we should be so quick to do that.

I say that because of this little nugget I found online. Check below the fold for this info.

<The only accurate way to poll the Iowa caucuses starts with the party's voter file, which provides some data on past caucus participation. Four years ago the Democrats charged about $65,000 for this vital tool. Not one public pollster purchased this database, despite the fact that it is impossible to develop a useful sample without it. Yet poll after poll purported to tell us which candidate stood where in the caucuses.>

The article from by Mark Mellman goes on to say that the voter file is extremely important because it gives you information such as whether the registered voter previously participated in a Democratic caucus.  It's a starting point for the campaigns.  They'll contact these people first and then work from there.  

For historical perspective, in the 2000 caucus 44% of caucus goers had participated in previous Iowa caucuses.  In the 2004 caucus, 55% of caucus goers had participated in previous Iowa caucuses.  While we don't know how many caucus goers will be repeats this year, it is fairly safe to say that about half the people that come out for the caucus in January of 2008 will have done it before.

Of course, this leaves the other half of the caucus goers who will be first timers.  Who are these people?  Well, before we can try to figure that out we should again see what the percentage of registered voters in Iowa actually participated in each of the past contested caucuses.  In 2004, 5.7% of eligible Iowa voters particpated.  In 2000, it was 3.5% and in 1988 it was 5.9%.  So, we are looking at about 6% of the eligible voters in Iowa who will actually particpate next January.  That's roughly 130,000 Iowans.

How do you try and figure out who those 130,000 people are?  Well, the campaigns know by getting the voter file that about 60,000 or so will be repeat caucusers.  How about the others?  Well, Richardson's poll lists who they think are "likeliest".  It was those who participated in the 2004 caucus, voted in the 2006 primary and said they definitely plan to attend the caucus in January.  This at least gives us an idea that the campaigns think that the people who voted in the 2006 primary are possible caucus goers even if they didn't caucus in 2004 and it seems that once they contacted those people who voted in the 2006 primary, they asked them if they planned to attend the caucus in January.

I would guess that these 2006 primary voters who said that they plan to attend the caucus are the ones that comprise Richardson's "likely caucus-goers"  while the ones who caucused in 2004, voted in 2006 and said they definitely plan to attend the caucus are his "likeliest caucus-goers".  Remember he mentions that this "likliest" group is about 40% which closely mirrors that 50% of caucusers who have participated previously.

Here's the link to their poll.

http://www.richardsonforpresident.com/ne wsroom/pressreleases?id=0139

Now, let's compare that to how the public polling companies are polling Iowa.  Most of them at this point are using some form of "likely voter" model. The question is what do they constitute as a "likely" voter?  Well, let's first look at ARG, since 1)they've polled Iowa the most compared to any other polling firm and 2)it seems to have results fairly different from the others.  Their model is derived from randomly calling Iowa's registered voters and getting 600 registered voters (80% which are Democrats and 20% Independents)who say they definitely plan to participate in the caucus.  Now you may ask why 20% of Independents are included, but that is about how many Independents caucused in the Democratic caucus in 2004.  So, methodology wise, I don't have a problem with that.

The problem, I think, that this methodolgy has is it asks the respondent if they plan to attend.  This far out from the caucuses, you are going to get a lot more people that say they will attend the caucuses, but who will not, in the end, attend the caucus.  Remember, in historical context, it's only 6% of eligible voters who will partipate.  Now, you compare this methodology with someone like Research 2000 where they ask the respondents if they have previously attended a caucus and then asking them who they support.  This is a much tighter group to poll from and may account for some of the difference in their polls.

Finally, since all of these polling outfits are asking the respondent if they plan to attend or if they've attended in the past from the vast group of registered voters, the internal polls are already starting from a smaller pool of respondents by using the voter file and actually seeing who has particpated and/or voted rather than relying on the actual person telling the truth to a poller.

Where does this bring us regarding where I think the race in Iowa is at?  Based on this, I believe it is a lot closer to what Richardson's internal poll is showing that any of the public polls.  Edwards with a good, but not insurmountable lead, followed by Clinton, Obama and Richardson with Richardson being a lot closer to Clinton and Obama than any of the public polls are showing now.



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Re: Why Richardson's Iowa (3.00 / 0)

Richardson also told you he was going to outraise Edwards and you believed him.

Richardson poll was just a trick to create buzz for his fundraising push and nothing else.

the des moine register will tell us where this race stands...Rcihardson pollster probably never polled Iowa before and there is a right way and a bad way to poll Iowa caucus....DMR has a great record when it comes to polling Iowa so i dont know why in the world you would claim that somehow, Richardson pollster should be trusted when they do not have the history of great polls like DMR.


by JaeHood on Tue Jul 10, 2007 at 07:10:22 PM EST

Re: Why Richardson's Iowa (none / 0)

Maybe I wasn't clear.  Their poll, I believe, started with much tighter "likely" voter group making it closer to the Iowa caucus goers sentiment at this time.  The Des Moines Register may have the similar type of "likely" voter screen.  I just don't know.  My contention is that the polling firms which have made some of the methodology available, like American Research Group, are using too broad of "likely" voter screens for the Iowa caucus.


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by minvis on Tue Jul 10, 2007 at 07:41:11 PM EST
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Re: Why Richardson's Iowa Poll may be Closer to Re (none / 0)

I think Obama is in trouble in Iowa as is Edwards. Both Edwards and Clinton have a shot at winning in Iowa but Obama is in danger of falling from 3rd to 4th. A 4th place in Iowa for Obama would it extremely difficult for him in NH.


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by robliberal on Tue Jul 10, 2007 at 09:06:25 PM EST

When Clinton comes in 4th (none / 0)

now that will be interesting


by okamichan13 on Tue Jul 10, 2007 at 10:43:42 PM EST
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Wishful thinking (none / 0)

For someone to say with a straigh face that Richardson would overtake Obama in Iowa is plain ridiculous.

First of all,Richardson doesnt have or will not have the ground game...Richardson won't have the money to compete with Obama and he sure doesn't have the grassroots in Iowa ready to volunteer for him....Richardson little boost is probably gone now and his performances during those debates were the worst performances i have ever seen a candidate put out there.

I think Hillary is in big trouble in Iowa because if she wasn't,she would've not be so quick to bring Bill along with her in Iowa...This shows clearly that she's needs help there.


by JaeHood on Tue Jul 10, 2007 at 11:32:59 PM EST
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Re: Wishful thinking (none / 0)

I would not at all be surprised if Obama came in 4th in Iowa. The demographics do not fit his campaign.


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by robliberal on Tue Jul 10, 2007 at 11:36:25 PM EST
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I don't think any of them are in trouble yet (none / 0)

The important word being "yet".  While the 2008 caucus will not be the same as 2004, only 30% of the 2004 caucus goers made up their mind a month before the caucus.  Even if up to 50% of the people going to the caucus this January have already made up their mind and will not change, there's still lots of growth potential for any of the 4 candidates.  Plus, this far out no one knows how any scandal/event could affect the race.

I'm not counting anyone out yet.  Well, maybe Gravel and Kucinich.


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by minvis on Tue Jul 10, 2007 at 11:53:12 PM EST
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Re: I don't think any of them are in trouble yet (none / 0)

I agree this race is wide open.


by BDM on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 12:22:37 AM EST
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Re: I don't think any of them are in trouble yet (none / 0)

And anyone who doesn't think it's still wide open not only is smoking something, they inhaled too.


A great democracy must be progressive or it will soon cease to be a great democracy. - Teddy Roosevelt
by minvis on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 12:35:52 AM EST
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Re: Why Richardson's Iowa Poll may be Closer to Re (none / 0)

What do you base that on, an ARG poll.

The DMR poll showed Edwards at 29, Obama AT 23 AND cLINTON AT 21. iT ALSO STATED THAT 78% of the Caucus goer's could change their mind. The person with the highest percentage for 2nd choices was Obama.(This Poll was May 16-18th so a little out of date)

The DMR poll's history make it I believe the best IA caucus poll. Caucus's are very difficult to poll. Especially when only 6% of Registered democratic voters showed up in 2004.This was 140,000 voters. The question is who are those voters . I do believe that IA will experience a higher turnout rate because of the contests in both party's this year.


by BDM on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 12:21:14 AM EST
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one in five caucus-goers were independents? (none / 0)

Wow, I remember a few people changing their registration to caucus in 2004, but I'd be amazed if one in five people participating in the Democratic caucuses in Iowa are actually registered independents.

20 percent seems way too high to me.

People underestimate how hard it is to get someone who's never caucused before to come to a precinct caucus. I was amazed in 2004 by some of the people who refused to take an hour out of their Monday evening.

Some people reliably show up for every election and caucus--those are the ones I am focusing on when I call Ds in my precinct.

Obama's biggest problem is that his support probably isn't spread evenly across the state. Like Dean, he may have pockets of deep support, which wouldn't matter in a primary but are a disadvantage in a caucus.


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by desmoinesdem on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 02:40:56 AM EST

Re: one in five caucus-goers were independents? (none / 0)

At first I thought 20 percent was high too.  However, I looked back at the 2004 results and 19% were Independents.  Here's the link

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/primari es/pages/epolls/IA/index.html


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by minvis on Wed Jul 11, 2007 at 10:25:15 AM EST
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Richardson has a top quality Pollster (none / 0)

Thanks for the analysis and insight on Iowa.

On the comment that Richardson campaign's said it would outraise - that was a prediction about 10 days before the close of the fundraising deadline.  It proved inaccurate - thanks in part to the unexpected assistance that Ann Coulter provided Edwards.   But all it was simply a prediction, it wasn't a statement of fact.  (As an aside Edwards is probably hoping Coulter attacks him again at the close of the 3rd quarter fundraising deadline.)

The poll is a different story.  It is the work product of Paul Maslin, who was Howard Dean's pollster.  Maslin is highly respected, been the business for years and knows Iowa extremely well.  Maslin would not fug the numbers for a short advantage for his client at the expense of his reputation in the industry.


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by Stephen Cassidy on Thu Jul 12, 2007 at 05:00:06 PM EST


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